Sandbox Server: Further adjustments to HE Shells
4 min readOctober 22, the Sandbox server will receive a small update. On the first iteration, the minimum effectiveness values of high-explosive shells were tested. Now on the second iteration, Wargaming is searching for the optimal effectiveness value, taking in consideration the frequency these shells are used in battle.
- The damage of all HE shells will be increased by 75%. This should affect the effectiveness and popularity of all HE shells, both low and high calibre.
- Damage drop in the splash radius will be corrected. Along the edge, it will change from 0.1 to 0.5. Also, damage distribution in the splash radius will be made evener. This change will improve the potential to deal damage when hitting external modules.
- The probability of dealing critical damage to modules will be increased.
- The angle of spall spread on damage to internal modules will be increased from 45 to 60 degrees.
- Splash radius mechanics will be reconfigured to do more damage. This will be most noticeable for low-armoured vehicles.
- Discrepancies in some HE shells’ damage numbers compared to version 1.5 (state of the game Sandbox is based on) will be fixed.
Please be aware, all values are a test and not final, meaning they might not come to the live server. Values are for the best gun on each vehicle and only for HE ammunition.
To better understand the changes, I’ve compiled a list of vehicles and their current HE damage values, with a comparison with both Sandbox iterations.
Tier I | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
MS-1 | 62 | 20 | 40 |
Pz.Kpfw. I | Moved from Tier II to I | Moved from Tier II to I | |
T1 Cunningham | 36 | 15 | 25 |
Renault FT | No HE | No HE | No HE |
Cruiser Mk. I | Moved from Tier II to I | Moved from Tier II to I | |
Kolohousenka | 65 | 25 | 40 |
Renault NC-31 | 42 | 15 | 25 |
Renault Otsu | 55 | 20 | 35 |
4TP | 70 | 25 | 45 |
Strv fm/21 | 16 | 5 | 10 |
Fiat 3000 | 45 | 15 | 30 |
Tier II | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
BT-2 | 62 | 20 | 40 |
T-60 | 50 | 20 | 30 |
Pz.Kpfw. II | Moved from Tier III to II | Moved from Tier III to II | |
M2 Light Tank | 50 | 20 | 30 |
FCM 36 | 45 | 15 | 30 |
Cruiser Mk. II | Moved from Tier III to II | Moved from Tier III to II | |
Type 95 Ha-Go | 95 | 35 | 60 |
Strv m/38 | 50 | 20 | 30 |
Tier III | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
T-70 | 65 | 25 | 40 |
T-46 | 65 | 25 | 40 |
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E | 90 | 30 | 55 |
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G | 40 | 15 | 25 |
M3 Stuart | 50 | 20 | 30 |
AMX 38 | 70 | 25 | 45 |
Somua S35 | 70 | 25 | 45 |
Valentine | Moved from Tier IV to III | Moved from Tier IV to III | |
Type 97 Chi-Ha | 90 | 30 | 55 |
Strv m/40L | 50 | 20 | 30 |
Tier IV | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
BT-7 | Moved from Tier III to IV | Moved from Tier III to IV | |
SU-76M | Moved from Tier III to IV | Moved from Tier III to IV | |
T-28 | 95 | 35 | 60 |
Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs | 40 | 15 | 25 |
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. J | 90 | 30 | 55 |
StuG III Ausf. B | 175 | 65 | 110 |
M5 Stuart | 50 | 20 | 30 |
M8A1 | 175 | 65 | 110 |
M7 | Moved from Tier V to IV | Moved from Tier V to IV | |
AMX 40 | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Somua SAu 40 | 350 | 165 | 255 |
B1 | 70 | 25 | 45 |
Valentine AT | Moved from Tier III to IV | Moved from Tier III to IV | |
Matilda | 110 | 70 | 110 |
Type 1 Chi-He | 100 | 35 | 60 |
Sav m/43 | 370 | 130 | 230 |
Lago | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Tier V | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
Stug IV | 175 | 65 | 110 |
KV-1 | 280 | 100 | 175 |
SU-122A | 600 | 665 | 665 |
T-34 | 95 | 35 | 60 |
SU-85 | 300 | 105 | 190 |
VK 16.02 Leopard | 90 | 30 | 55 |
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H | 410 | 145 | 255 |
StuG Ausf. G | 175 | 65 | 110 |
VK 30.01 (H) | 175 | 65 | 110 |
M24 Chaffee | 175 | 70 | 110 |
T1 Heavy Tank | 185 | 65 | 115 |
M41 HMC | 550 | 610 | 610 |
M4A1 Sherman | 185 | 65 | 115 |
M10 Wolverine | 185 | 65 | 115 |
AMX ELC bis | 320 | 115 | 200 |
S35 CA | 320 | 115 | 200 |
BDR G1 B | 320 | 115 | 200 |
AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50 | 445 | 495 | 495 |
Sherman III | 185 | 65 | 115 |
AT 2 | 100 | 35 | 60 |
Churchill I | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Type 3 Chi-Nu | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Ikv 103 | 370 | 130 | 230 |
Strv m/42 | 185 | 65 | 115 |
Tier VI | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
Excalibur | 190 | 70 | 90 |
MT-25 | 165 | 60 | 105 |
T-150 | 360 | 130 | 225 |
SU-8 | 600 | 665 | 665 |
T-34-85 | 300 | 105 | 190 |
SU-100 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
KV-2 | 910 | 330 | 580 |
KV-1S | Moved from Tier V to VI | Moved from Tier V to VI | |
VK 28.01 | 175 | 65 | 110 |
VK 30.02 (M) | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Jagdpanzer IV | 270 | 95 | 170 |
VK 30.01 (P) | 270 | 95 | 170 |
VK 36.01 (H) | 270 | 95 | 170 |
T37 | 185 | 65 | 115 |
M6 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
M44 | 550 | 610 | 610 |
M4A3E8 Sherman | 185 | 65 | 115 |
M36 Jackson | 320 | 115 | 200 |
AMX 12 t | 175 | 65 | 110 |
ARL 44 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
AMX 13 F3 AM | 700 | 775 | 775 |
Panhard AMD 178B | 175 | 65 | 110 |
ARL V39 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Cromwell | 175 | 65 | 110 |
AT 8 | 190 | 70 | 120 |
Achilles | 190 | 70 | 120 |
Churchill VII | 190 | 70 | 120 |
O-I | 890 | 320 | 555 |
Type 4 Chi-To | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Ikv 65 Alt II | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Strv 74 | 185 | 65 | 115 |
Tier VII | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
T28 Concept | 420 | 150 | 265 |
S-51 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
SU-152 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
IS | 530 | 190 | 330 |
?V-3 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
T-43 | 300 | 105 | 190 |
LTG | 300 | 105 | 190 |
Jagdpanther | 420 | 150 | 265 |
Tiger (P) | 295 | 105 | 185 |
Tiger I | 295 | 105 | 185 |
Panther | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Spähpanzer SP I C | 270 | 95 | 170 |
M12 | 700/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 |
T25 AT | 320 | 150 | 265 |
T29 | 420 | 150 | 265 |
T20 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
T71 CMCD | 185 | 65 | 115 |
Lorraine 155 mle. 50 | 700/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 |
AMX AC mle. 46 | 400 | 145 | 250 |
AMX M4 mle. 45 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
AMX 13 75 | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Hotchkiss EBR | 260 | 95 | 165 |
Challenger | 370 | 130 | 230 |
AT 7 | 280 | 100 | 175 |
Black Prince | 190 | 70 | 120 |
Comet | 190 | 70 | 120 |
O-Ni | 890 | 320 | 555 |
Type 5 Chi-Ri | 175 | 65 | 110 |
Ikv 90 Typ B | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Leo | 410 | 145 | 255 |
Tier VIII | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
Chimera | 530 | 190 | 330 |
SU-14-2 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
ISU-152 | 950 | 330 | 580 |
IS-3 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
IS-M | 530 | 190 | 330 |
KV-4 | 420 | 150 | 265 |
T-44 | 330 | 120 | 205 |
LTTB | 300 | 105 | 190 |
Ferdinand | 630 | 225 | 395 |
VK 100.01 (P) | 630 | 225 | 395 |
Tiger II | 420 | 150 | 265 |
Panther II | 295 | 105 | 185 |
HWK 12 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
M40/M43 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
T28 | 515 | 185 | 320 |
T32 | 420 | 150 | 265 |
M26 Pershing | 320 | 115 | 200 |
M41 Walker Bulldog | 260 | 95 | 165 |
Lorraine 155 mle. 51 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX AC mle. 48 | 515 | 185 | 320 |
AMX 65 t | 515 | 185 | 320 |
Bat.-Châtillon 12 t | 260 | 95 | 165 |
Panhard AML Lynx 6×6 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Charioteer | 480/480 | 170 | 300 |
AT 15 | 280 | 100 | 175 |
Caernarvon | 370 | 130 | 230 |
Centurion Mk. I | 280 | 100 | 175 |
O-Ho | 890 | 320 | 555 |
STA-1 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
UDES 03 | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Emil I | 460 | 165 | 290 |
UDES 14 Alt 5 | 460 | 165 | 290 |
Tier IX | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
T 55A | 420 | 150 | 265 |
212? | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
Object 704 | 950 | 330 | 580 |
Object 257 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
Object 705 | 640 | 230 | 400 |
ST-I | 530 | 190 | 330 |
T-54 | 420 | 150 | 265 |
T-54 lightweight | 330 | 120 | 205 |
Jagdtiger | 700 | 250 | 440 |
Mäuschen | 630 | 225 | 395 |
E 75 | 630 | 225 | 395 |
E 50 | 510 | 180 | 320 |
Spähpanzer Ru 251 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
M53/M55 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
T95 | 950 | 345 | 600 |
M103 | 515 | 185 | 320 |
M46 Patton | 480 | 170 | 300 |
T49 | 910/910 | 330/365 | 580/635 |
Bat.-Châtillon 155 55 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX 50 Foch | 515 | 185 | 320 |
AMX M4 mle. 51 | 610 | 220 | 380 |
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t AP | 400 | 145 | 250 |
AMX 13 90 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Panhard EBR 90 | 320 | 115 | 200 |
Conway | 770/770 | 275 | 480 |
Tortoise | 515 | 185 | 320 |
Conqueror | 515 | 185 | 320 |
Centurion Mk. 7/1 | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Type 4 Heavy | 900/900 | 330/365 | 580/640 |
Type 61 | 440 | 170 | 300 |
Strv 103-0 | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Emil II | 530 | 190 | 330 |
UDES 16 | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Tier X | |||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 |
Object 260 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
Object 279e | 530 | 190 | 330 |
Object 261 | 900/900 | 1000/900 | 1000/900 |
Object 268 | 1100 | 330 | 580 |
IS-7 | 640 | 230 | 400 |
Object 705? | 840 | 330 | 580 |
IS-4 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
Object 140 | 420 | 150 | 265 |
T-100 LT | 360 | 130 | 225 |
Jagdpanzer E 100 | 1400 | 415 | 725 |
Maus | 630 | 225 | 395 |
E 100 | 950 | 320 | 565 |
E 50 Ausf. M | 510 | 180 | 320 |
Rheinmetall Paznerwagen | 420 | 150 | 265 |
T92 HMC | 1300/1300 | 1440/1300 | 1440/1300 |
T110E3 | 1100 | 345 | 600 |
T110E5 | 515 | 185 | 320 |
M48A5 Patton | 480 | 170 | 300 |
XM551 Sheridan | 910/910 | 330/365 | 580/635 |
Bat.-Châtillon 155 58 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX 50 Foch B | 515 | 185 | 320 |
AMX M4 mle 54 | 640 | 230 | 400 |
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t | 480 | 170 | 300 |
AMX 13 105 | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Panhard EBR 105 | 500 | 180 | 315 |
FV4005 Stage II | 1750/1750 | 480 | 835 |
FV217 Badger | 620 | 220 | 390 |
Super Conqueror | 515 | 185 | 320 |
Centurion Action X | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Type 5 Heavy | 900/900 | 330/365 | 580/640 |
STB-1 | 440 | 170 | 300 |
Strv 103B | 480 | 170 | 300 |
Kranvagn | 530 | 190 | 330 |
UDES 15/16 | 530 | 190 | 330 |
THIS IS CRAZY . STOP LETTING SMALL CALIBER GUNS DO MORE HE DAMAGE. This will lead to more HE spammed from every tank in the game. LEAVE HE AND HESH ALONE FFS. SO MUCH BIGGER ISSUES WITH THE GAME AND THIS IS WHAT THERE SPENDING THERE TIME ON.
Not sure what you’re looking at, but this is still a ~40% nerf to all HE compared to the live server. So there will be less HE spam outside of howitzer equipped vehicles, which rely on them to do any damage at all, and those tanks will become less effective. This still somewhat ruins vehicles like the KV-2, SU-152, and M4A1 (105mm), and IMO they were’t that toxic to begin with, as they rarely got a full pen from their shots, and were balanced based on pen, not alpha.
I just realized some vehicule changed tier ?!? Will this go live too ?
I loved the M7 at tier 5. I don’t play it anymore, but I wonder what will it look like on tier 4…
I don’t have the time to try it in the sandbox, did someone tried it ?
Thanks !
I really hope they dont screw up module damaging, would be sooo annoying to get your modules constantly damaged from he spammers. There is arty for that