Sandbox Test: Reworked SPG Mechanics and Changes
6 min read1. What’s the difference between the new shells and what situations are they best suited for?
High-Explosive With Stun (standard). Penetration doesn’t change, damage is decreased by 10%. If it doesn’t penetrate, it doesn’t cause critical damage to modules and crew members. It has the smallest shell velocity, but the trajectory is better. This shell will be useful in situations when you need to hit and stun several targets at once.
High-Explosive Without Stun (alternative). This shell is useful for firing at light and medium armored vehicles. Its burst radius is two times smaller than that of a standard shell, and its area of effect is four times smaller.
At the same time, its armor penetration will be 50% higher than the current value, and its damage will be 10% higher. Also, unlike standard ammo, the alternative shell will be able to damage internal modules and injure the crew. Additionally, it has a higher shell velocity than the standard shell, but a worse trajectory.
Armor-Piercing. This shell is intended for rare combat situations. It’s effective against slow, well-armored vehicles that can’t be damaged much with HE shells. Armor-piercing shells will not have a burst radius and stun, it will only be able to hit one target when fired from a short distance. At the same time, it causes much higher damage than HE shells if it penetrates, which is 4 to 6 times more likely. Armor-piercing shells have the highest velocity of all. The player will have to consider that the trajectory of this shell is the flattest of all when firing (i.e., it has the lowest angle to the ground). This shell has high penetration and good damage, but if the situation demands switching the AP shell to another one or vice versa, the Intuition perk – which considerably decreases the time of changing the shell – will allow you to be flexible and react to the situation in battle.
2. Will the HE shell changes from the previous Sandbox tests affect SPG shells?
No. The dealing-damage mechanics for SPG HE shells and standard HE shells of other vehicles will be different.
3. How does adding new shells solve the ‘stun issue’?
Currently, SPG players have 2 almost identical types of shells. With the new system, maximum efficiency can be achieved only by playing with different shell types. Now, there will be three shell types available for various situations in battle. Only one of them has the ability to stun, which will decrease the total amount of stuns in the game.
From last year’s Sandbox test we saw that more choice of shell types reduced stuns in battle – by up to 50%.
4. What is the estimated efficiency of the AP rounds?
It will be a completely situational shell (10-15% of all shots). If used wisely it will be more effective versus well-armored slow vehicles, compared to HE shells.
5. How high is the module damage of the AP rounds?
The same as AP shells for regular vehicles.
6. In the past for some SPGs HEAT was a tactical shell. Will the new tactical shell be always AP?
No, for some SPGs it will be HEAT shells.
7. Why does the SPG HE shell damage model not match the new HE shell sandbox model? Why the difference?
SPG is a completely different class as they can’t aim as accurately as non-SPG vehicles. The range and aiming mechanisms are also different.
8. Was removing penetration for SPG rounds ever considered?
Yes, but penetration is low on the current SPGs so we don’t want to remove it completely.
9. Do I need to learn the intuition skill with my SPG crew or is it a ‘free’ perk?
Yes, you have to learn it. But on the Sandbox, it will be researched on all vehicles.
10. Are you planning tweaks to individual SPG’s?
Maybe, depending on the Sandbox results.
11. Are there plans to limit the number of SPG’s per team?
No.
12. How does Sound Detection work?
Sound Detection works if the vehicle is in the damage area, whether it’s spotted or not. If the artillery fires with a lead and the vehicle is not in the damage area when it fires, the indicator will not work. The damage area will depend on the burst radius of the artillery shell.
13. Will Sound Detection work even if you’re not spotted?
Yes.
14. Will there be any indication on the Minimap from where the SPG has fired from?
No.
15. Why did you introduce Sound Detection in such a way?
We want to give additional information about the SPGs actions and decrease the unexpectedness of their fire. The player who received a warning that they are about to be fired upon can perform evasive actions. For example, drive closer to a building or a rock, or leave the area that is under the SPG fire.
Understanding when the artillery is firing from will allow you to understand the situation faster, choose safer positions and make your offensive more efficient. Also, Sound Detection means non-SPG players can avoid current situations when SPG players scare off players by simply aiming at them and not firing.
16. If two vehicles are in the damage area, will Sound Detection work for both players?
Yes, Sound Detection will work for both.
17. Tell us more about the SPG hit visualization. What will happen to an existing mark if the SPG fires faster than once every 10 seconds, and will it be displayed on buildings and water?
A marker appears when the shell hits and remains on the minimap for a total of 10 seconds. This time is the same for all SPG hits and doesn’t depend on reload time or vehicle Tier. If the shell hits a building or water, the mark will also be displayed.
18. How useful is the information about SPG hit locations?
Very useful. Hit locations allow players to understand how many SPGs fired a shell and how long ago they did it. With this information, the player will be able to be more efficient in battle by knowing when it’s safe to change positions and at what area the artillery fires the least. This will help minimize HP loss from SPG fire.
19. Brighter shell traces don’t look like a useful feature, what are they for?
You shouldn’t underestimate the new traces, they provide a lot of useful information about SPG actions. For example, they will allow players to estimate the location of an SPG and understand when and where it is firing. All this opens up new possibilities for both the attack and planning your actions against artillery. An even more efficient way to use them is to combine the information from brighter traces with SPG hit markers. It’s easier to detect where the artillery fires from, how many SPGs have fired, and how long you are safe from new shells.
20. Will there be compensation for special shells?
It’s too early to say: we are testing the mechanics and we want to hear your feedback.
21. Will Personal Missions and the conditions for earning particular awards be revised?
If the analysis of the received data shows that the changes will strongly affect Personal Missions, we will work on changing the conditions to some of them. But this will happen only in case the revised mechanics are approved by the players and released.
22. Will these changes affect Premium SPGs?
Premium SPGs will have their old shells. If your SPG does not currently have shells that can stun, everything will stay the same.
23. Tell us more about fast switching between shells.
This is the job of the reworked Intuition perk. It will become a skill that changes the shell type in the loaded gun faster the more it’s trained. The fully trained skill will speed up reloading by 60%, and bonuses from “Brothers in Arms”, Improved Ventilation, and Extra Combat Ration, etc., can increase this value up to 83.16%.
24. Will the bonus to reloading work if I change the shell type during the reload?
No. The skill only works if the shell or drum is fully loaded.
25. Why was the Intuition reload perk not included in the Crew 2.0 sandbox and will it be delivered with Crew 2.0 or with the SPG update?
It’s an independent perk. If the SPG changes will be released earlier than Crew 2.0, we will release the perk with the current crew system.
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This is Wargamming managing Arty out of the game. The obvious think to do is for WG to simply remove Arty and compensate the player (financially) in some way. What this does is make Arty players simply stop playing arty. Far cheaper 🙂
If introduced into the game two things will happen. 1) Arty fire and show up on the mini map. 2) Lights rush forward to kill arty, and are killed themselves. As we say in the UK, killing 2 birds with one stone.
So whats next? Hidden TDs? Probably,
The issue is that most players only play heavy and medium tanks and have an utter hatred of lights, Arty and TD’s. So why not just create a game mode for Heavies and Lights.
Sadly this game is going down hill fast as WG try to mop up the tears of crying players who just want to sit behind their favorite rock and farm damage.