World of Tanks

Supertest: Bat-Chatillon 25 t Changes

One of the most awaited tanks to be converted into HD, Bat-Chatillon 25 t it’s currently being rebalanced on Supertest Server. Update 9.20 will finally bring this vehicle in HD but it will be a different from what we currently have in-game. The objective is to make it different from it’s heavy counter part, current Supertest is also testing the possibility of role change to this vehicle.

The gun changes will increase the comfort of firing thanks to better aiming parameters, but will significantly decrease the chances of destroying same-tier mediums with one magazine.

The intention is to make the vehicle more comfortable, reducing the cost of mistakes when engaging enemies – missing one shell out of six will be less punishing than with 5-shell clip. Moreover, the reload time between shells and reload time of the entire clip will be decreased, which will give opportunity to effectively use the firepower potential of the tank.

Improved accuracy and aiming time will not only make it easier to shoot, but will potentially influence survival rate, since the time required for a shot will be decreased and the tank will correspondingly be less under opponent’s fire.

03/07/2017: Article updated with more information. There was a few misleading bits of information due to translation.


Please remember these are Supertest stats and are subject to change before the final version is released.


Bat-Chatillon 25 t Pictures

Bat-Chatillon 25 t Stats

Tier X Medium Tank
Hit Points
1800
Hull Armour 60 / 40 / 30
Turret Armour
50 / 30 / 15
Shell Avg. Penetration 252 / 278 / 50
Shell Avg. Damage 300 / 300 / 400
Clip Size
6
Reload Time 34s
Reload Time between Shots 2.4s
Aiming Time 2.5s
Average Damage per Minute 2 347
Accuracy 0.36
Turret Traverse Speed 38
Traverse Speed 42
Top Speed / Reverse Speed 65 / 23
View Range 400
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73 comments

    1. Complete and utter fucking stupidity is what this is. We wait years for WG to make bat chat HD just so they can nerf the hell out of it when it finally happens… wow, just wow! Just when I thought Chrisler GF can not be topped….

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      1. I am DONE WITH WOT IF THEY DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS TO MY BATCHAT! Less alpha than EITHER the Light tank OR the Czech tank which still has INFINITELY better gun handling and DPM FFS! This shit stresses me out, if it comes down to this, I am selling all my premiums for gold and use that for WOWS premium time. That or I will just cash out so to speak….

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    2. Ha ha ha ha good one WG ! Wait… April’s fool’s has already passed ? WTF IS THIS MADNESS. BC is a very challenging tank to play Wich is why only good players play it and thus get good games. If one gets clipped by a BC he is the only one to blame not the perfect balance of the BC. Plus if these dumb idiots have ever played the BC they will note that clipping a full tank is EXTREMELY difficult and requires VERY STUPID enemies.

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      1. Well it is OBVIOUS that they have neither played the BatChat 25t nor the AMX 50B if they think they are ANYTHING ALIKE!
        So it is safe to assume that whoever is responsible for this change has never played the game once in the last 4 years since the BC has been moved to tier 10 – she WAS OP as a tier 9 when I first got her, but not since she was moved to T10.

        Now she is a situationally weak as she is strong, a nearly PERFECTLY balanced tank at tier 10 – and the most fun tier 10 there is to play. But WarGaming seems INTENT on breaking what is perfectly fine as it is, and seems to WANT to drive SIX YEAR VETERANS AWAY FROM THEIR GAME!

        I pray to any god that might exist that WOWS is under TOTALLY DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT!

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      2. it’s actually funny… the batchat will have the lorraine 40t’s gun with 20 more pen… a fucking t10 with the same gun as a t8 and the rest of the stats of lorraine and batchat are also pretty similar…

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  1. wargaming please dont do this, the bat chat is not fucking overpowered, this nerf will literally just make a bat chat ap with higher hp and also how is its game play at all similar to the 50 b…

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    1. I am done if they do this to my BatChat, it is really goddamned stupid to even THINK about doing this shit. The Premium round won’t even be able to deal with the STILL OP Super Heavies (Maus, Type 5) – the DPM is still FAR WORSE and the alpha is worse than the Czech tanks which have INFINTELY better DPM and gun handling, and the alpha and aim time is still FAR WORSE than the Light!

      The BatChat is in NO WAY like the AMX 50b and if they make my favorite tank, a BALANCED tank useless, I am just done with this game. It sometimes FEELS like the Developers are intent on driving LONG TIME (6 YEARS here) players away from the game…

      First it was OP prems, now it is the Super Heavies at tier 10 as well, well just the Maus and Type 5 really – all making the game NOT FUN TO PLAY at tiers 6 to 10!

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    2. I mean it isn’t like the BatChat is hard to deal with! It already can BARELY take a few hits, and its gun handling REQUIRES sitting still to have any half decent chance at hitting the same post code as where you aimed! I am fine with the draw backs of its current design, that is what keep it balanced. But THIS?? This will make it worthless and pointless!

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    1. That is because you play like a muppet and get clipped. Oh wait, Batchats don’t clip because they always bounce rounds and have terrible accuracy. SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN COMPLAINING ABOUT IT?

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  2. Great, nerf all the medium tanks and make the armor nerfs to Type 5 and Type 4 worthless- Fuck you wargaming, shove your fake stats up your ass. Bat Chat. wasn’t that good in the first place.

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    1. No, they are not nefing all meds… They are buffing the 140…. WG dont you play your fucking game?!

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  3. Bat chat is or was one of the best balanced tier 10 tanks. Now it’s just a bat chat so at tier 10…gg…

    WG and their retarded balancing department can’t get their shit straight.

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    1. The BC25t can do 1950 dmg in 13,7 seconds (dpm 8540) which is fun for bc drivers and shit for all other people. This is an broken mechanic. Its being fixed now luckily

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      1. And it reloads for how long? Has how much armour? Has how much hp?

        The only way it can unload for 13.7 seconds is if you are an idiot and have isolated yourself. Otherwise a bat chat that tries to stay still to aim for 13.7 seconds is a dead batchat.

        Stop blaming balanced tanks when you probably suck…

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      2. And how long did WT auf E100 reload? And how much amour did WTE100 have and how much hp did WTE100 have? all these drawbacks dont change the broken mechanic. and you forget a point: a B-C has very good camo values meaning he can literally sit in a bush for 13,7 or more seconds to aim and shoot and noone will spot him. why will noone spot him? because B-C is the perfect counter to scouts. scouts cannot block shots by amour, cannot kill a B-C and can not even run away from it. a light cant escape this med. which is totally nonsense again. i probably suck, yes. but at least I understand most game mechanics

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      3. It can if it hits but in most cases you are lucky if you hit 3 of 5. You have no clue what you are talking about. This nerf makes the super heavies like Maus and Type 5 even more OP.
        BC has a overall winrate of 49% and has no armor. There are hardly any maps left where you can sit in a bush and snipe like you claimed. If a BC clips you it means you still have understood how this game works. It is just whiney noobs like you that think the BC is OP, which just proves the point that noobs should have nothing to say when it come to this game as they are the sole reason this game goes to shit.
        BC perfect balance against noobs.

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  4. Hang on a minute before you all continue freaking out about an alpha nerf. Note all the buffs it gets gun handling, better reload stats extra round in the mag… then note they are also considering role change… you know what that must mean right? Possibly becoming a tier 10 LT , with these stats but then that also means on the move camo.. from where I sit that looks like an overall buff if you play it right. Sure it wont have the ability to fully clip tier 10s from full health but on the other hand with those other stats you could probably kill more tanks late game per clip.

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    1. You’ve never played a BC have you? A – They already have a tier X LT. B – The BC already has a unique role. How is giving a tier X tank a tier 8 gun anything but a nerf? The BC role of flanking assassin will be crippled by having a pew pew gun with a trash prem round.

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    2. The Aim time “Buff” IS A NERF! Currently, totally Stock, BatChat 25t with 105mm takes 2.7 seconds to aim, and reloads shells in 2.73 seconds. After this NERF – as that is ALL IT IS, it will take 2.5 seconds to aim, but reload in 2.4 seconds!

      Meanwhile the TVP 50/51 unloads 4 rounds in 4.5 seconds for 1280 damage, reloads its clip 10 seconds faster than the NERFED BatChat, has 2.1 second STOCK aim time, with FAR less bloom after shooting – TVP 50/51 Bloom = 2.88x (reticle blooms to 2.88x minimum size after shooting a shell) BatChat has 3.84x bloom – as it currently is.

      They have NOT LISTED SOFT STATS! But to make this GOOD it would NEED T62A or better soft stats! Even then the LOW alpha, the BAD AIM TIME, the shit DPM, the low pen – espcially the Premium rounds (meanwhile EVERY other Tier X med still has 310 to 330 pen HEAT, FFS the Obj 416 has 330 Pen HEAT – BALANSE COMMRADE!) – ALL of that will RUIN THE BATCHAT EVEN IF IT GETS GOD TIER GUN HANDLING – GET IT??

      T62A/Obj 140 would be TERRIBLE if they had their god tier Gun handling, but ONLY 2.3k DPM! So, because RUSSIA, now a tank that was MANUALLY loaded, and cramped as fuck – has a better reload rate, better rounds per minute, than a Tank with an AUTOMATIC LOADING SYSTEM! In reailty, the T62A is so damned cramped it is lucky to get 6 rounds/min out with ANY reliability in REAL LIFE!

      And I know WOT is NOT real life. But WarGaming pulls this shit YEAR AFTER YEAR! I used to put up with it, thinking all things will eventually be balanced out, but if this comes to pass, I AM DONE!

      FYI to anyone reading: I own E50M, T110e5, IS7, BatChat 25t, E-100, Object 704 most of the way to 268. I have a TON more and lots of premiums – far too many to list, including ones such as the E-25, KV-5, FCM36PaK40, and MANY MANY more! This change will indeed make me sever all ties with this game I have loved dearly for 6+ (almost 7) years now. WarGaming seems BENT on RUINING EVERYTHING I loved about this game, and it has become IMPOSSIBLE for even the most avid players to DEFEND the Defender – and the COUNTLESS other ATROCIOUS and egregious crap WG has been pulling as of late.

      So I say now, WarGaming, if you do this – I and MANY OTHERS will no longer support this dying game in any way. I will continue to support World of Warships unless or until this brand of bullshit starts taking place. But this? This will be the final nail in my WOT career coffin if it goes live.

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    3. That BUFF on the 100mm you talking about is also a NERF compared to the 100mm you can already equip on the BC. Now 0.35 dispersion, after “BUFF” 0.36.
      WG destroys another unique tank, that is all nothing else.

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  5. yeah…what can I say….nerf the pen and alpha so you can make it usless camper till the end of the battle….when it’s the only time when it will be a decent tank actually

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  6. I sense a major nerf coming to type 5 and maus armor from the looks of the batchat’s premium rounds. With that pen, it won’t contest any super heavy from the front.

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    1. Perhaps this is the point? “Mediums are supposed to flank to take advantage of weaker side armour”

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    2. LOL, it’s going to have hard time trying to pen Maus even from the side. This is completely retarded. Every other medium has around 330 prem pen and they give BC 278?

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      1. Yeah even the Skoda has FAR superior 310 pen HEAT! That is the LOWEST pen Premium round on any tier X medium BTW!

        So yeah let’s nerf JUST THE BATCHAT in ways that will make it useless… I swear to god WG, are your devs retarded or do they WANT 6 year Veteran Players like myself to sell all their premiums for gold (to buy prem time for WOWS which I still love) – or even more drastic measures.

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      2. And Skoda, has 2.8k DPM, FAR BETTER gun handling – far better aim time, infintely better inter shell time, the only real drawback is size!

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    3. They do this due to prem people that complain being unable to penetrate tier x frontally. So they loosen the gap with tier 8 tm x. Pay to win.. defender owners should cry even more

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  7. What struck me immediately when I read the new gunstats is that it will probably push you to go full gold (I doubt that prem rounds with this low pen will be heat… it will be something like apcr/gold apcr). So, a tank that most ppl currently run no gold will push you to go full gold. I see a pattern here, this is what almost all recent WG “balance” changes are all about – to make you spend more… Because lets face it, Batchat doesnt need any changes appart from HD model.

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    1. Did I miss something? The pen only went down from 259 to 252. Also I definitely wouldn’t bother buying many prem rounds with only +20mm of pen.

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    2. BatChat is one the FEW truly balanced, yet still strong tanks in the game at this point. And it has always been my favorite as it is intense to play. I either do well or fail miserably, rarely in between, but I almost always ENJOY playing it!

      I keep 1 clip worth of HEAT currently, and rarely touch it. If they do this to my BatChat I am done with this game totally after 6 years now.

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  8. I don,t know why wg treat us as retards and sell us donats like nerfs are show us as buffs…

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  9. they also nerfed the mobility a bit.. why? the batchat traverse is shit already.. so let’s make it even worse?.. GG

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  10. After ruining the light tank class in order to force people playing lights they are going to ruin the best scout in the game, batchat 25t.
    Shame wg, shame,shame…..

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  11. Not trying to be rude here, but are they drunk at wargaming? Who on earth thinks this is a good idea? Bat-chat is a good tank yes, but not OP and requires skill to play well. They (over)buff superheavies and now nerf alpha, clipdamage, cliptime and penetration on bat-chat …… And saying: “you need to flank” is utter bullshit since most games are corridor maps and teams who dont let you flank (i.e. you will run into an invisible TD line). Besides that, bat probably wont even pen most shots square on the Maus’ side now, so ye sounds like a good idea…..

    Yet another techtree not worth going higher than tier 9, since tier 9 is basicly the same gun!
    This actualy might be the straw that broke the camels back andperhaps it’s time to quit the game for good.

    So wargaming, are you actualy trying to kill your own game or what is it you are trying to accomplish with this? (just curious here)

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  12. Listen to all this guys don’t nerf B-C 25t he is really fun to play for me right now so please don’t nerf it

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  13. Shell Avg. Penetration 252 / 278 / 50
    So, how are you going to pen Maus? Yes you can flank it but if you can’t flank it?
    WG is just getting ridiculous. 30 B is getting nerfed to shit and B-C is getting nerfed to shit, good job WG, just good job. :/

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  14. See lots of people up there saying that they will leave the game all because WG nerfed their favorite tank. So sad.

    Good thing I never ever considered grinding the bat chat ever since it was introduced at tier 9.

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  15. If wargaming continues like this, in 6 months noone will be playing anything else but Maus and Type 5 heavy on tier X. Sounds like a good improvement to the game right …..

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  16. Fucking retarded war gaming Yeah sure nerf those tanks which dont needs nerfs and yeah Buffs those tanks wich need serious nerffs asshole wargaming good job. Assholes

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  17. Well played warming. Nerd most decent players favorite tank. High skill high reward tank. But we have to make this just a game for heavies with no frontal weak spots.

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  18. What a nerf :)))))) so basically take out penetration and make it the worst dmg/per shot tank in the game? good think i stopped playing :))

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  19. This is horrible. The reason people go for the BC is the 105 autoloader. and now this obvious nerf the tank is essentially being destroyed. They are not even giving it the 320 alpha damage of the Russians while giving it horrible penetration values which just buffs heavy tanks even more.

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  20. Just put 360 alpha damage… (360 x 5 = 1800). If you want the Bat-Chat 25t to have 1800 clip potential just let the same gun but with 360 alpha damage.

    Honestly, changing the gun to a six 300 alpha damage shot autoloader will ruin the tank. And those are facts. With that new gun you are not only ruining a tank, you are ruining the VARIETY of your game.

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  21. This change is completly unnecessary. This tank NEVER penetrates an entire clip. You can NEVER fire 5 shots without missing or bouncing one or two. Sometimes three. Sometimes four. The reason why it has so much damage potential is to compensate the unreliability of the gun wich balances it perfectly.

    This change must NEVER be incorporated in the game. It will be nothing but a failure and a giant mistake.

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  22. You can’t replace the gun of a tank that is worth 6,1 Million credits, 727 000 EXP, and several months of grinding. It is unnaceptable. A nerf is OK, but a replacement gun is unnaceptable.

    You cannot randomly change a tank that was never problematic to the game in first place. A tank that nobody ever complained about in first place. A tank that is perfectly balanced as it is.

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