World of Warships

Supertest: German Tier IX Premium Cruiser Siegfried

After a LOT of complaints from the German community about the lack of German premiums, looks like Wargaming dug up the Kriegsmarine’s plan Z to bring us the O-class battlecruiser (to not mix up with the P-class that were just big Deutschland-class for bigger fuel reserves).

So… let’s talk about the O-class. The O-class was a planned class of 3 battlecruisers for the Kriegsmarine as part of the so-called “plan Z” alongside things like the H-class battleships for example.

These ships were designed for commerce raiding. They were planned to attack the transport or merchant ships while a proper battleship and its escort would keep the defending units busy. The class main armament would consist if 3 twin 380 mm turrets (the same as the Bismarck-class) with 2 super-firing at the front and one at the rear. It would have been completed with a secondary armament composed of a mix of 150 mm and 105 mm guns in twin turrets.
Finally, 2 triple torpedo launchers were also planned with 1 on each side.

In the end, no ship was ever built due to a lack of resources and the higher priority of building U-boats. (Also because Hitler thought it to be a great idea to start the war while the navy was nowhere near ready instead of waiting a couple more years like it was initially planned. Good job Hitler.)

If you want to know a bit more about the plan Z, I recommend to you this video from Drachinifel:

When it comes to World of Warships, we are getting a what-if version of the O-class as it would have been during the latter part of the Second World War with 55 mm AA mounts and a unified secondary battery composed of dual-purpose twin 128 mm turrets.

It is also to note that the main batteries of the Siegfried follow the standard cruiser dispersion formula.

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Modules
Hull
Engine
Gun Fire Control System
Main battery
Torpedoes

Siegfried

Propulsion: 176 000 HP

FKS Typ 9 Mod. 1

380 mm L/52 SK C/34

G7 Steinbutt

Please Note
All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers but with best available modules. The stats are subject to change during the testing.
Characteristics
GeneralMain BatterySecondariesTorpedo TubesAir DefenseConsumables
Tier IX
Health 62 850 HP
Main Armament
Maximum Firing Range 20.640 km
380 mm L/52 SK C/34 3 x 2 380 mm
Secondary Armament
Maximum Firing Range 5.000 km
128 mm L/61 KM40 7 x 2 128 mm
Torpedo Armament
Maximum Firing Range 8.000 km
533 mm Vierling 2 x 4 533 mm
Maximum speed 33.5 kt
Turning Circle Radius 880 m
Rudder Shift Time 14.0 s
Surface Detectability 15.12 km
Air Detectability 10.74 km
Detectability After Firing Main Gus in Smoke 13.81 km
3 × 2 380 mm L/52 SK C/34
 Reloading Time 26.0 s
180 Degree Turn Time 36.0 s
Optimal fronfiring angle
34°
Optimal rear firing angle 36°
Sigma 2.05 sigma
Maximum Dispersion 175 m
Shells
Type of Projectile HE
Alpha Damage 4 400 HP
Damage 4230 HP
HE penetration 94 mm
Explosion Size 2.26
Chance to Cause Fire 34 %
Projectile Speed 820 m/s
Air Drag 0.276
Projectile Mass 800
Projectile Krupp 32
Type of Projectile AP
Alpha Damage 11 600 HP
Chance to Cause Fire -0.5 %
Projectile Speed 820 m/s
Air Drag 0.276
Projectile Mass 800
Projectile Krupp 2 450
Projectile Detonator 0.033 s
7 x 2 128 mm L/61 KM40
Reloading Time 4.0 s
Sigma 1.00 sigma
Shells
Type of Projectile HE
Alpha Damage 1 500 HP
Damage 430 HP
HE penetration 31 mm
Explosion Size 0.41
Chance to Cause Fire 5 %
Projectile Speed 900 m/s
Air Drag 0.313
Projectile Mass 26
Projectile Krupp 1
2 x 4 533 mm Vierling
Reloading Time 90 s
Maximum Distance 8.0 km
Optimal fronfiring angle 40°
Optimal rear firing angle 45°
Damage 13 700
Speed 65 kt
Surface Detectability 1.3 km
7 x 2 128 mm L/61 KM40
Sector range 4.0 km – 6.0 km
Hit chance 88 %
Sector’s damage 440
Sector’s damage frequency 2.94 s
Sector’s damage per second 150
Flak clouds number 5
Flak cloud damage 1540
8 x 2 55 mm L/77 Gerät 58 Zwilling
Sector range 1.5 km – 4.0 km
Hit chance 88 %
Sector’s damage 290
Sector’s damage frequency 0.51 s
Sector’s damage per second 569
Flak clouds number 9
Flak cloud damage 1190
6 x 4 20 mm Flakvierling 38
6 x 4 20 mm Flakvierling 38
Sector range 0.1 km – 1.5 km
Hit chance 83 %
Sector’s damage 120
Sector’s damage frequency 0.35 s
Sector’s damage per second 343
Sector reinforcement
Sector reinforcement bonus +25%
Sector reinforcement time 10 s
Sector reinforcement shift time 10 s
Slot 1
Slot 2
Slot 3
Slot 4
Work time: 5 s
Cooldown: 90 s
Number of charges: 2
Work time: 120 s
Cooldown: 180 s
Torpedo spotting range: 4.0 km
Ship spotting range: 6.0 km
Number of charges: 3
Work time: 100 s
Cooldown: 360 s
Boost: +20% maximum firing range
Number of charges: 3
Work time: 28 s
Cooldown: 120 s
Regeneration speed: 0.5 % HP/second
Work time: 5 s
Cooldown: 60 s
Number of charges: 3
Work time: 120 s
Cooldown: 120 s
Torpedo spotting range: 4.0 km
Ship spotting range: 6.0 km
Number of charges: 4
Work time: 100 s
Cooldown: 240 s
Boost: +20% maximum firing range
Number of charges: 4
Work time: 28 s
Cooldown: 80 s
Regeneration speed: 0.5 % HP/second
Number of charges: 2
Work time: 40 s
Cooldown: 120 s

Number of charges: 4
Work time: 100 s
Cooldown: 240 s
Number of fighters: 4
Radius: 3.0 km
Number of charges: 3
Work time: 40 s
Cooldown: 80 s

Number of charges: 4
Work time: 100 s
Cooldown: 240 s
Number of fighters: 4
Radius: 3.0 km

The armor

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The armor of the Siegfried is well in line with the other German capital ships designs. She has the usual turtleback and well-protected sides.

The bow section

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The bow of the Siegfried is 27 mm thick. This will allow her to bounce 381 mm shells and below.

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Surprisingly, there is no armored deck inside it. A bit disappointing for a German battlecruiser. When it comes to her upper athwartship, it is 25 mm thick so… well quite irrelevant.

For the lower section, the first part, including the citadel surrounded in black, is 100 mm thick. It’s for a part above the waterline so…. avoid being bow-on to a battleship that can overmatch your bow.

The middle section

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The middle section makes the poor Azuma cry. The deck is 30 mm thick so you can bounce 420 mm shells and smaller. The side armor is a solid 90 mm thick plating that will allow you to angle nicely against the enemy and the main belt is 190 mm thick.

Of course, as a German ship, the Siegfried comes with the usual turtleback armor.

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behind the main belt is a nice 80 mm thick sloped plating inclined at 50°. I don’t know how effective that turtleback will exactly be but… I’m quite confident that giving broadside with that ship will be quite forgiving.

When it comes to the citadel, the roof and the sides under the turrets are 60 mm thick. The side protection is otherwise 45 mm thick.

No need to tell you that AP bombs will punch through that deck like it was butter.

The stern section

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Just like the bow, the stern is 27 mm thick, meaning that 381 mm AP shells and under can bounce on it.

Unlike the bow, the stern actually has an armored deck. The middle part is 60 mm thick and the sloped sides that are a prolongation of the turtleback are 80 mm thick.

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The rear athwartship is similar to the one at the front with the upper section being 25 mm thick.

The lower section, including the citadel, is first 100 mm thick and then 30 mm thick.

The superstructure

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The superstructure is 16 mm thick as the rest of the standard heavy cruisers/ large cruisers/ battlecruisers.

The turrets

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The turrets are the same as the Bismarck so…. not really the toughest. The face is 360 mm thick, the sides are 220 mm thick, the roof is 150 mm and at the middle 130 mm thick and finally, the back is 320 mm thick.

For the barbette, the roof is 150 mm thick and the rest is 350 mm thick.

Personal opinion

For now, I’m somewhat struggling to see the Siegfried working. While the Georgia, for example, works well with 6 guns, it’s mostly because of their punching power. Here… it’s 6 Bismarck guns that, even though they have cruiser dispersion aren’t really that good to be fair. Now, I could be wrong and the ship might be able to perform decently but… now, I’m really not convinced.

Now, if you will excuse me, I will ready myself for the “We will never get good German premiums” comment.

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8 comments

  1. Well, finally a paper project for the Germans. This would be a chance to go crazy and create something interesting, like a CQC Cruiser with powerful secondaries a turtleback and amazing speed. Basicly a lighter Tirpitz with better dispersion and lower fire burning time on the massive super structure.
    I would like to olay something like that, maybe the Siegfried will become that kind of ship.

  2. Im in fear that they will make her again a close range brawler kind of ship, considering “muh turtleback” and “muh torpedos” As long as the meta is camping fiesta, this ship will suffer as the BBs do. If they make it a high tier Spee however, with better accuracy and able to punish broadsides, I will be happy

  3. So its basically a Gneisenau, but its a Battlecruiser that bumps to Tier 9. Since their playstyle is almost like Gneisenau.
    I bet P-Class may slapped to T8 – T9 for Premium Wargaming schnizles.

    1. According to William Garzke & Robert Dulin … maybe …In their book they wrote about turtleback armour but on the schemantic drawings there were straight deck armour. As turtleback was a “german standard” I say It would have if it would be built.

  4. The turrets are tougher than it was designed as they would not be the straight copy of the Bismarcks turret. O-class would get much lighter turrets: 220mm face, 150mm sides & back, 50mm roof. That’s the historical and the useless on tier 9.

  5. why did they nerf seigfreid. just give her10km torps, good maneuverability and better bow armour whilst balancing with shorter range. this forces players to act on flanks and to give BBs a cruiser that will actually push and support them, how many times have we seen Kremlins push in with no support because those cruisers are island camping. Or maybe its just me. Even so I am very disappointed because I would have bought her at any price before, now not so much.

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