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Sandbox Server: HE Shells Update Iteration 3

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Sandbox Server gets its third iteration and more changes will be tested on the HE shells.  This time Wargaming is testing the updated settings of damage-causing mechanics and the reduced damage-per-shot values of HE shells. Here is what will be changed:

  1. Increased HE shell damage by 40% over the first iteration of testing. After the first iteration of testing we bumped up damage by 75% for HE shells and the result was that they were excessively efficient. So damage will be scaled back a bit from those high values.
  2. Reduced splash damage to armor by 20% as compared to the second testing iteration.
  3. Reduced armor spalling damage by approximately 30-35%
  4. Reduced damage within the burst radius. In the current iteration, the damage value on the edge of splash will be 0.2 (compared to 0.1 in the first and 0.5 in the second iteration). In addition, we changed the dependency of damage drop-off from distance to explosion — the damage drop-off will be more balanced with respect to the new extreme value.
  5. Removed the improved HE shells for USA light tanks and Japanese heavy tanks. This is not a balance measure and we are not trying to remove this type of shells forever. Rather, within the testing, we are adjusting the efficiency of standard HE shells. Based on those adjustments we are planning to change the improved HE shells. During prior testing, improved HE shells of these vehicles were used excessively.

And here’s a digest of other information:

  • Between the first and the second iteration, HE shells had effectiveness from minimal to excessive. There will be no tests of any values above the second iteration’s, as it’s considered to be the very limit.
  • The mechanics themselves are working as expected, currently, the only thing needed is the right values. They should be something in the middle of this range of effectiveness.
  • Splash damage changes should be most noticed by low armour vehicles, while spall damage changes most affect well-armoured tanks.
  • It’s understood vehicles with HE gameplay, such as derps, are important to the community, and this will be considered when individual changes for these tanks will be worked on.
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15,466 thoughts on “Sandbox Server: HE Shells Update Iteration 3

  1. So WG are still going to nerf the HE shells!

    What a pack of idiots!

  2. They probably know most people don’t give half a **** about HE, they are simply making it fit their new ammo system to try to give a job to HE other that one shotting arty and lights. HE for existing premium vehicles wont change (KV2R, blackdog, etc), they will probalby keep some tanks that use derps and keep the old system (calling it AP-HE or something similar).

    The tanks that will probably feel the burn the most will be the lights with good HE pen like the EBRs.

    All in all, I look forward to the ammo changes, It’s an indirect nerf to all premium ammo since they buff everything but that, Its a buff to slower heavy armored tanks that are out of the meta (more HP but premium ammo does same amount). it’s a buff to lower tier HP pools so they will last a bit longer in bad matchups, new HE mechanic will also help them get some damage against tanks impossible for them to pen.

    Sure, the game balance will change and people will cry over it but it’s a step toward making the game more competitive and less of a goldspam fest. Embrace the new meta, will Maus be king again, will dual guns ST2s suck like the british lights, who will dethrone the 430U?

  3. Curious to see changes for the FV215b (183) and for HESH ammo in general. Since I started playing WoT only for the “derp fun factor”

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