World of Tanks

Sandbox Server: HE Shells Update Iteration 3

Sandbox Server gets its third iteration and more changes will be tested on the HE shells.  This time Wargaming is testing the updated settings of damage-causing mechanics and the reduced damage-per-shot values of HE shells. Here is what will be changed:

  1. Increased HE shell damage by 40% over the first iteration of testing. After the first iteration of testing we bumped up damage by 75% for HE shells and the result was that they were excessively efficient. So damage will be scaled back a bit from those high values.
  2. Reduced splash damage to armor by 20% as compared to the second testing iteration.
  3. Reduced armor spalling damage by approximately 30-35%
  4. Reduced damage within the burst radius. In the current iteration, the damage value on the edge of splash will be 0.2 (compared to 0.1 in the first and 0.5 in the second iteration). In addition, we changed the dependency of damage drop-off from distance to explosion — the damage drop-off will be more balanced with respect to the new extreme value.
  5. Removed the improved HE shells for USA light tanks and Japanese heavy tanks. This is not a balance measure and we are not trying to remove this type of shells forever. Rather, within the testing, we are adjusting the efficiency of standard HE shells. Based on those adjustments we are planning to change the improved HE shells. During prior testing, improved HE shells of these vehicles were used excessively.

And here’s a digest of other information:

  • Between the first and the second iteration, HE shells had effectiveness from minimal to excessive. There will be no tests of any values above the second iteration’s, as it’s considered to be the very limit.
  • The mechanics themselves are working as expected, currently, the only thing needed is the right values. They should be something in the middle of this range of effectiveness.
  • Splash damage changes should be most noticed by low armour vehicles, while spall damage changes most affect well-armoured tanks.
  • It’s understood vehicles with HE gameplay, such as derps, are important to the community, and this will be considered when individual changes for these tanks will be worked on.
Tier I
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
MS-1 62 20 40 30
Pz.Kpfw. I Moved to Tier I
T1 Cunningham 36 15 25 20
Renault FT No HE No HE No HE No HE
Cruiser Mk. I Moved to Tier I
Kolohousenka 65 25 40 35
Renault NC-31 42 15 25 20
Renault Otsu 55 20 35 25
4TP 70 25 45 35
Strv fm/21 16 5 10 10
Fiat 3000 45 15 30 25
Tier II
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
BT-2 62 20 40 30
T-60 50 20 30 25
Pz.Kpfw. II Moved to Tier II
M2 Light Tank 50 20 30 25
FCM 36 45 15 30 25
Cruiser Mk. II Moved to Tier II
Type 95 Ha-Go 95 35 60 45
Strv m/38 50 20 30 25
Tier III
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
T-70 65 25 40 30
T-46 65 25 40 30
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E 90 30 55 45
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G 40 15 25 20
M3 Stuart 50 20 30 25
AMX 38 70 25 45 35
Somua S35 70 25 45 35
Valentine Moved to Tier III
Type 97 Chi-Ha 90 30 55 45
Strv m/40L 50 20 30 25
Tier IV
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
BT-7 Moved to Tier IV
SU-76M Moved to Tier IV
T-28 95 35 60 45
Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs 40 15 25 20
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. J 90 30 55 45
StuG III Ausf. B 175 65 110 90
M5 Stuart 50 20 30 25
M8A1 175 65 110 90
M7 Moved to Tier IV
AMX 40 175 65 110 90
Somua SAu 40 350 165 255 205
B1 70 25 45 35
Valentine AT Moved to Tier IV
Matilda 110 70 110 90
Type 1 Chi-He 100 35 60 50
Sav m/43 370 130 230 185
Lago 175 65 110 90
Tier V
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
Stug IV 175 65 110 90
KV-1 280 100 175 140
SU-122A 600 665 665 665
T-34 95 35 60 45
SU-85 300 105 190 150
VK 16.02 Leopard 90 30 55 45
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H 410 145 255 205
StuG Ausf. G 175 65 110 90
VK 30.01 (H) 175 65 110 90
M24 Chaffee 175 70 110 90
T1 Heavy Tank 185 65 115 95
M41 HMC 550 610 610 610
M4A1 Sherman 185 65 115 95
M10 Wolverine 185 65 115 95
AMX ELC bis 320 115 200 160
S35 CA 320 115 200 160
BDR G1 B 320 115 200 160
AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50 445 495 495 495
Sherman III 185 65 115 95
AT 2 100 35 60 50
Churchill I 175 65 110 90
Type 3 Chi-Nu 175 65 110 90
Ikv 103 370 130 230 185
Strv m/42 185 65 115 90
Tier VI
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
Excalibur 190 70 90 95
MT-25 165 60 105 85
T-150 360 130 225 180
SU-8 600 665 665 665
T-34-85 300 105 190 150
SU-100 530 190 330 265
KV-2 910 330 580 460
KV-1S Moved to Tier VI
VK 28.01 175 65 110 90
VK 30.02 (M) 175 65 110 90
Jagdpanzer IV 270 95 170 135
VK 30.01 (P) 270 95 170 135
VK 36.01 (H) 270 95 170 135
T37 185 65 115 95
M6 320 115 200 160
M44 550 610 610 610
M4A3E8 Sherman 185 65 115 95
M36 Jackson 320 115 200 160
AMX 12 t 175 65 110 90
ARL 44 320 115 200 160
AMX 13 F3 AM 700 775 775 775
Panhard AMD 178B 175 65 110 90
ARL V39 320 115 200 160
Cromwell 175 65 110 90
AT 8 190 70 120 95
Achilles 190 70 120 95
Churchill VII 190 70 120 95
O-I 890 320 555 445
Type 4 Chi-To 175 65 110 90
Ikv 65 Alt II 320 115 200 160
Strv 74 185 65 115 90
Tier VII
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
T28 Concept 420 150 265 210
S-51 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050
SU-152 530 190 330 265
IS 530 190 330 265
?V-3 530 190 330 265
T-43 300 105 190 150
LTG 300 105 190 150
Jagdpanther 420 150 265 210
Tiger (P) 295 105 185 150
Tiger I 295 105 185 150
Panther 175 65 110 90
Spähpanzer SP I C 270 95 170 135
M12 700/700 775/700 775/700 775/700
T25 AT 320 150 265 210
T29 420 150 265 210
T20 320 115 200 160
T71 CMCD 185 65 115 95
Lorraine 155 mle. 50 700/700 775/700 775/700 775/700
AMX AC mle. 46 400 145 250 200
AMX M4 mle. 45 320 115 200 160
AMX 13 75 175 65 110 90
Hotchkiss EBR 260 95 165 130
Challenger 370 130 230 185
AT 7 280 100 175 140
Black Prince 190 70 120 95
Comet 190 70 120 95
O-Ni 890 320 555 445
Type 5 Chi-Ri 175 65 110 90
Ikv 90 Typ B 320 115 200 160
Leo 410 145 255 205
Tier VIII
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
Chimera 530 190 330 265
SU-14-2 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050
ISU-152 950 330 580 460
IS-3 530 190 330 265
IS-M 530 190 330 265
KV-4 420 150 265 210
T-44 330 120 205 165
LTTB 300 105 190 150
Ferdinand 630 225 395 315
VK 100.01 (P) 630 225 395 315
Tiger II 420 150 265 210
Panther II 295 105 185 150
HWK 12 320 115 200 160
M40/M43 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050
T28 515 185 320 260
T32 420 150 265 210
M26 Pershing 320 115 200 160
M41 Walker Bulldog 260 95 165 130
Lorraine 155 mle. 51 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750
AMX AC mle. 48 515 185 320 260
AMX 65 t 515 185 320 260
Bat.-Châtillon 12 t 260 95 165 130
Panhard AML Lynx 6×6 320 115 200 160
Charioteer 480/480 170 300 240
AT 15 280 100 175 140
Caernarvon 370 130 230 185
Centurion Mk. I 280 100 175 140
O-Ho 890 320 555 445
STA-1 320 115 200 160
UDES 03 480 170 300 240
Emil I 460 165 290 230
UDES 14 Alt 5 460 165 290 230
Tier IX
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
T 55A 420 150 265 210
212A 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050
Object 704 950 330 580 460
Object 257 530 190 330 265
Object 705 640 230 400 320
ST-I 530 190 330 265
T-54 420 150 265 210
T-54 lightweight 330 120 205 165
Jagdtiger 700 250 440 350
Mäuschen 630 225 395 315
E 75 630 225 395 315
E 50 510 180 320 255
Spähpanzer Ru 251 320 115 200 160
M53/M55 1050/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050 1165/1050
T95 950 345 600 480
M103 515 185 320 260
M46 Patton 480 170 300 240
T49 910/910 330/365 580/635 460
Bat.-Châtillon 155 55 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750
AMX 50 Foch 515 185 320 260
AMX M4 mle. 51 610 220 380 305
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t AP 400 145 250 200
AMX 13 90 320 115 200 160
Panhard EBR 90 320 115 200 160
Conway 770/770 275 480 385
Tortoise 515 185 320 260
Conqueror 515 185 320 260
Centurion Mk. 7/1 480 170 300 240
Type 4 Heavy 900/900 330/365 580/640 465
Type 61 440 170 300 240
Strv 103-0 480 170 300 240
Emil II 530 190 330 265
UDES 16 480 170 300 240
Tier X
Tank Live Server Sandbox #1 Sandbox #2 Sandbox #3
Object 260 530 190 330 265
Object 279e 530 190 330 265
Object 261 900/900 1000/900 1000/900 1000/900
Object 268 1100 330 580 460
IS-7 640 230 400 320
Object 705? 840 330 580 460
IS-4 530 190 330 265
Object 140 420 150 265 210
T-100 LT 360 130 225 180
Jagdpanzer E 100 1400 415 725 580
Maus 630 225 395 315
E 100 950 320 565 450
E 50 Ausf. M 510 180 320 255
Rheinmetall Paznerwagen 420 150 265 210
T92 HMC 1300/1300 1440/1300 1440/1300 1440/1300
T110E3 1100 345 600 480
T110E5 515 185 320 260
M48A5 Patton 480 170 300 240
XM551 Sheridan 910/910 330/365 580/635 460
Bat.-Châtillon 155 58 750/750 835/750 835/750 835/750
AMX 50 Foch B 515 185 320 260
AMX M4 mle 54 640 230 400 320
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t 480 170 300 240
AMX 13 105 480 170 300 240
Panhard EBR 105 500 180 315 250
FV4005 Stage II 1750/1750 480 835 670
FV217 Badger 620 220 390 310
Super Conqueror 515 185 320 260
Centurion Action X 480 170 300 240
Type 5 Heavy 900/900 330/365 580/640 465
STB-1 440 170 300 240
Strv 103B 480 170 300 240
Kranvagn 530 190 330 265
UDES 15/16 530 190 330 265

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4 comments

  1. They probably know most people don’t give half a shit about HE, they are simply making it fit their new ammo system to try to give a job to HE other that one shotting arty and lights. HE for existing premium vehicles wont change (KV2R, blackdog, etc), they will probalby keep some tanks that use derps and keep the old system (calling it AP-HE or something similar).

    The tanks that will probably feel the burn the most will be the lights with good HE pen like the EBRs.

    All in all, I look forward to the ammo changes, It’s an indirect nerf to all premium ammo since they buff everything but that, Its a buff to slower heavy armored tanks that are out of the meta (more HP but premium ammo does same amount). it’s a buff to lower tier HP pools so they will last a bit longer in bad matchups, new HE mechanic will also help them get some damage against tanks impossible for them to pen.

    Sure, the game balance will change and people will cry over it but it’s a step toward making the game more competitive and less of a goldspam fest. Embrace the new meta, will Maus be king again, will dual guns ST2s suck like the british lights, who will dethrone the 430U?

  2. Curious to see changes for the FV215b (183) and for HESH ammo in general. Since I started playing WoT only for the “derp fun factor”

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