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FV205 or FV217: FV215b (183) replacement?

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Wargaming announced the possible replacement of British tank destroyer FV215b (183), but what is that new tank? Where did it come from? Another fake?

Introducing: FV205 and FV2017 “Badger”

FV205 SP medium and FV217 “Badger” were two self-propelled gun based on the FV201  “Universal Tank” proposals.

FV217 Back
FV205 SP Medium AT – Based on FV201 Caernarvon – Image credits to Pgopogo 

According to sources, FV205 SP Medium AT, based on the FV201 Caernarvon “Universal Tank”, cancelled in April 1949 and the FV217 SP 120 Medium AT, based on the FV214 Conqueror “Universal Tank”. The FV205 never got past the wooden model stage and FV217 never made it past paper.

FV217 “Badger” – Based on FV201 Caernarvon – Image credits to Tanks Encyclopedia

There wasn’t any known gun specification for the FV205, but the FV217 was to be armed with a 120mm gun and was intended to be a cheaper and simpler alternative to the Conqueror. It would also have had a lower profile and would have been harder to hit while working as an ambush tank.

So, as you can see, the FV205 and FV217 aren’t fake and are more than capable to fit the British tank destroyers Tier X position. Either one would be a natural successor for Tier IX Tortoise.

My final thoughts on this replacement are that this replacement was necessary, but will be done correctly? I believe the FV215b (183) should actually be moved to FV4005 Stage II branch as an alternative Tier X, instead of a direct replacement. This would enable players to choose which tank they would like, a less armoured, more mobile or a better armoured, less mobile version of the Deathstar. But that’s just my opinion, what’s yours?

Article updated with more accurate information on 15/09/2017.
Article updated with more accurate information on 28/09/2017.
Source: Tanks Encyclopedia &

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15,466 thoughts on “FV205 or FV217: FV215b (183) replacement?

  1. ehhh?!?!?….is not needed, what is next the obj 430, because it have a conventional turret and can rotate 360.

  2. Actually really like the look of this tank and would gladly welcome it as I always thought the suggen change of 120mm casement to 183mm turreted was way too weired.

    I agree that the FV215b 183 should be kept in the tech tree, it was a historically planed/proposed tank afterall.

    I dont agree with it being put as an alternative to the FV4005. It doesn’t really fit the line.

    Something I thought of was to repurpose the FV215b heavy tanm into a tier 9 TD build off the Caernarvon and lead into the FV215b 183.

    Since the FV215b is a fake tank to begin with they can change it up to represent a sort of “early prototype”.

    I have a full post on the Asia forums if you’re interested in it:

  3. It was never known as CTR, that was Chieftain Test Rig, FV205 and 217 are not the same. and there were never plans to mount the German powerpack into this vehicle.

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