World of Tanks

Wargaming to talk about P2W and Premium Tanks situation during Grand Finals

Hello everyone,

Wargaming will be talking about the ‘Pay2Win’ and Premium Tanks situation during the Grand Finals this Sunday. Kandly, Wargaming EU Community Coordinator, shared the following in the official forum:


We will provide answers regarding the questions surrounding World of Tanks P2W and the Premium T8 situation during the Grand Finals. We will make sure the communication is properly distributed and we’re working on an open Q&A for those who won’t be joining the Grand Finals.

Source: World of Tanks EU Forum


I’ve talked with Kandly in order to get more details, and she kindly said that Wargaming will share/talk about both issues during the Grand Finals. Wargaming isn’t still sure how they are going to do the Q&A, but they will try to answer as much questions as possible and communicate the information for those who won’t see the Grand Finals.

If you have any questions but you won’t be on the Grand Finals events, or you won’t be following the streams, you can leave your questions in the comment section and I’ll pass any question to Wargaming directly.

Remember this is an opportunity for us, players, to get our voice heard and to make a difference in the game.

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  1. I’m not expecting them to nerf prem tanks, so I’d like to know if:

    1. Since these new prems are all aimed at dealing with tier 10 more effectively, are they are planning to start buffing tanks below tier 8 so they can more effective against tier 8? Then tier 4 to be more effective against tier 6 (if a buff to tier that low is even needed, usually most low tiers don’t have much armor)?

    2. Limited MM tanks like the 175mm pen heavies and KV-5 are struggling hardcore against these very well armored 8s and 9s (VK100.01 P, Mauschen, maybe even Chrysler K). Any plans for those guys? I’m firing prem and losing money, the tanks is rather ineffective now, especially if you have to do any level of carrying.

    3. Can they please start considering changing prem ammo? Something like in Blitz? Maybe use sandbox and test if all ammo should really have the same kind of price and be balanced around the ratio of pen and damage?

    4. If 3 is not possible, then why? What’s the limitation here? Is it just “WG will make less money” or is it something else here?

    5. Are enhanced equipment pieces really necessary as a reward for the ranked battles? It really sounds like it will create an issue here again, as did Rubicon…

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    1. 1.I fully agree with OtherPlans.Ive the JT8.8 and its become useless against the new tier 8 premiums WG is pumping out.The lower tier premiums cant even pen them and I wonder if WG will even consider the comments were posting.

      2.Ive been playing this game since 2013 and the maps stays the same.No new maps.Just the old same boring maps over and over again.Alot of our clan members have decided to rather play other games since WOT have become boring.Take mines for example its so old that whenever we get it all my platoon mates say OH NO not this shit again.Stalingrad and Karkov and Paris are the only fairly new maps.Why cant WG bring out all their maps and make a rotation system like for 3 months you play on one set and the next 3 months you play on another set.

      3.Just a question:How many players have left WOT and decided to play other games rather as they are bored with the game with WG pumping out superpremiums which they cant afford to buy as not everyone has the money for and die time and time again after each battle because they cant pen them.

      4.Personally WG should stop shoving patches out every second month and rather rebalance ALL TANKS AND MAPS.I think everyone would prefer to wait for a patch for 4 months and its worth it than whats going on now

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    2. U cant just buy the improved equipment for loads of credits or some gold. U gotta play and work hard for it and get rewarded with bonds so u can buy improved equipment. It’s not even close to Rubicon

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  2. 1: How does UP/OP premiums even go through the supertest without anybody to even notice they have a problem?
    Examples:
    -The Sentinel I, with its puny gun and TERRIBLE aim time being on the same Tier as the T-28E and its clumsy annihilator gun (+large HP and view range).
    -The Toldi and the Pz III K being the absolute worst tanks at their Tiers. The latter being sold and expensive.
    -And now that Chrysler with no weakspot. Even the Liberté has paper side armor and that cupola to balance it, while the front armor isn’t even impenetrable. Will we soon see the Liberté with 90mm sides, 200mm front and 240mm cupola?
    Or is the introduction of those overpowered premiums deliberate?

    2: Don’t you fear the P2W premium spam to make a lot of players leave? While it makes fast and easy money and players always require their tank to be stronger, this is only a short-term solution and will cause harm on the long run.

    3: People spent money on tanks that are now left into dust by those new premiums, being utterly incapable to fight them.
    EX: -Chrysler vs IS-6: the IS pilot has ZERO chance to penetrate, unless the GF pilot is distracted.
    -The IS-3A, while still being playable, is now totally shadowed by the Defender. There is zero point in playing it again with that terrible gun handling while you can just get a 440 alpha gun that handles better on a more armoured chassis).
    No plans to give them some love (/!\ WHILE KEEPING THEM BALANCED OFC, NOT THE WAY THE 112 WAS BUFFED)
    Same question about non-premium tanks.

    4: When *cough* balancing *cough* a premium tank, is the probability of people spamming gold shells taken into account? (Typically, Chryslers shooting 260mm APCR all day long are kind of strong)

    5:Are you deliberately pushing people to spam gold ammo, thus reducing their profits?
    NB: IMO pretty obvious, but I want an official answer to see what BS WG will serve us as an explanation

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    1. 6: Ranked Rewards in World of Warships are perfectly fine.Couldn’t you simply use the same principle in WoT?

      Although I understand your concerns to bring as many players as possible on this mode, we’d rather the mode to be good instead in a simple bait that will break the game (enlarging even more the gap between good players and those who doesn’t have a Tier 10 yet is a truly terrible idea)

      -a few doubloons => a few golds
      -signal flags => personnal reserves
      -consumables, cerdits, free exp
      -camos/commemorative flags => unique camo patterns
      -unique upgrades: those aren’t better than the regular ones and still available in Supercontainer (Note: none ever asked for those trashy upgrades, they kill the joy of getting a SuperContainer lol). But the point is that they are balanced and available by other means.
      You could give female crew members for grinding the ranks and still see loads of players crawling to play Ranked Battles.

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  3. Although I think I know the answers for 3 out of 4 questions, my question is:

    If this Q&A is only about Pay2Win when will you (WG) address the other issues with the game, namely

    1. climbing/boosting
    2. the mostly useless and undeservedly nerfed Tier X light tanks
    3. the improved equipment for ranked battles
    4. general tank balancing anomalies?

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    1. Climbing and boosting aren’t really a problem, there are few players who understand how to do it and if they do remove it, they’ll just piss off the players that do it. It’s a just part of the new physics mechanic and makes the game more dynamic then just randomly spamming shots into the obvious bushes and blindshotting people 30% of the time.

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      1. They are one of the main problems since they are unbalanced, one sided, there are solid cover on boosting spots where you can hide, not all tanks can do it, not all tanks can even aim up to the boosting spots to try to hit enemy tanks and those areas are makred unpassable on the minimap so they are not intended positions.

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  4. Why didn’t Wargaming give the panzer 4 s a mobility buff in patch 9.17.1 ?

    When will the kv -5 be sold again?

    What will happen to pref matchmaking tanks like the t-34-3 or the wz-111?

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    1. Might never, wg did say that if the new artillery was still despised as much as it was in the past, they would consider removing SPG altogether

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  5. Will they accept the bottom line, that if some players can afford to fire gold, and some can’t, the game is pay 2 win?

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    1. Welllll… I can’t agree with that. Because to be P2W you have to be able to buy something with just real money… “Premium Ammo” can be bought with credits, if you can’t make enough credits to afford them, then it’s another problem. Because I know players who don’t have Premium Account that can afford and use Premium Ammo.

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      1. It’s indirect p2w, which amounts to exactly the same thing. Where do the credits come from? By the way, I was losing money WITH a premium account, trying to stay competitive in the Type 5 durp monstrosity. Load a batchat with full gold, like an increasing number of players do, and you lose money. Some will just shrug their shoulders and buy more gold when it runs out. Wanna be competitive tier 8? Buy new premium for big cost. Etc.

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        1. Gold on BatChat? What? Why? APCR is more better in the majority of he cases. Again, if you go full gold then of course you won’t make credits. That’s the whole idea.

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      2. It’s just people being entitled. If they lose money at high tiers go back to pleb tiers or change game altogether. Go play AW or something.

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  6. 1: What does WG have against frontal weakspots? When I was first learning to play the game years ago, one of the great joys was to learn where to shoot tanks to be able to pen them. Since then tanks have been released and models have been changed to rely far too much on the use of premium ammo – a feature that is in itself deeply problematic.

    2: Are there any plans to change premium ammo on PC similar to what they’ve done in Blitz? There needs to be some kind of trade-off for the increased penetration, especially if they’re going to introduce ranked battles. Otherwise it will just be one big premium fest, which in turn will lead to more tanks being balanced around the over-reliance on premium ammo.

    3: Are there any plans to make older premium tanks competitive compared to their newer OP counterparts? Since 9.18 tier 8 tanks quite often see pure tier 8 battles, meaning that tanks such as the Defender, Patriot, and Skorpion G effectively have limited MM, despite their far superior stats. Is there even a place for underperforming tanks with limited MM at tier 8 in the current meta?

    4: It seems that every other month WG is working on a new premium tank that ends up getting rushed to the live servers despite glaring balancing issues. Perhaps it’s time that they thought about new ways to make money without having their balancing department shoving new and improved tanks down our necks. Camo and such has already been suggested, but I would personally like to see something like what they did with the Christmas snow KV-2, where you were are able to put (Decorative!) objects on your vehicle, such as camo nets, jerry cans, logs, etc. It might take some time to implement, but I imagine it would be a goldmine for WG.

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  7. 1: What does WG have against frontal weakspots? When I was first learning to play the game years ago, one of the great joys was to learn where to shoot tanks to be able to pen them. Since then tanks have been released and models have been changed to rely far too much on the use of premium ammo – a feature that is in itself deeply problematic.

    2: Are there any plans to change premium ammo on PC similar to what they’ve done in Blitz? There needs to be some kind of trade-off for the increased penetration, especially if they’re going to introduce ranked battles. Otherwise it will just be one big premium fest, which in turn will lead to more tanks being balanced around the over-reliance on premium ammo.

    3: Are there any plans to make older premium tanks competitive compared to their newer OP counterparts? Since 9.18 tier 8 tanks quite often see pure tier 8 battles, meaning that tanks such as the Defender, Patriot, and Skorpion G effectively have limited MM despite their far superior stats. Is there even a place for underperforming tanks with limited MM at tier 8 in the current meta?

    4: It seems that every other month WG is working on a new premium tank that ends up getting rushed to the live servers despite glaring balancing issues. Perhaps it’s time that they thought about new ways to make money without having to milk their playerbase by shoving new and improved tanks down our necks. Camo and such has already been suggested, but I would personally like to see something like what they did with the Christmas snow KV-2, where you were are able to put (Decorative!) objects on your vehicle, such as camo nets, jerry cans, logs, etc. It might take some time to implement, but I imagine it would be a goldmine for WG.

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  8. 1. How many tanks did you sell from the following:
    – Defender / 252U
    – Liberte / AMX 49
    – Skorpion G
    – Patriot / T26E5
    – Chrysler GFY
    ?

    2. What did you do with the money? Did the employees get at least a bonus?

    3. When will the VK 168.01 (P) MIT 15 CM come out? And can you nerf its pen more and buff its armour please?

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  9. 1-Will the chi ri be buffed ? Like adding it’s proposed belt fed cannon and the 45kph mobility ?

    2-make the premium he of Type 4 more not p2w like reducing the dmg and improving the pen standard 200+ dmg still 75mm of pen ?

    3-will you nerf the gf k , defender/252u, scorpion g ,patriot , left Arty, iberte , is6 cupola of type 4/5 also t110e5 ?

    4-serb stated in the past that once big maps are introduced so are amphibious tanks be implemented will the big maps like the Sunny valley, grand canyon paved the way for these class ?

    5-3 arties is like three demons stabbing you in seconds

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  10. WoT has gone in the wrong direction . The release of MUCH better premiums is the proof . Obj 252U is far much better than IS3 , Skorpion G is a Ferrari compared to old expired RHM . So you pay for a Ferrari or get an old Lancia 🙂
    I don’t like this strategy , and i am not alone . Moved to a non P2W game .

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  11. Why are frontal weakpoints being removed? Players should be rewarded for knowing key areas to shoot thick armored opponents without premium.

    If it is because weakspots are too large and make armor useless, how is encouraging users to fire premium ammo at tanks with heavy armor but no weakspots?

    If they are just too big, would something smaller suffice? Such as the MG port on a Tiger 2’s hull being a weakspot instead of the whole ball MG area.

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    1. With all these newer and OP premiums being added, how can the T25 Pilot 1 be effective? It’s severe lack of armor, weak modules, mediocre mobility, low penetration, and low velocity shells makes it seem completely underwhelming compared to something like the Patton KR or normal M26 Pershing. Will it take a year to gather data and be buffed? Or could it recieve at least a single redeeming quality in the near future?

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    2. Could limiting the number of premium rounds be a possibility? What about something like no more than 25% of your ammo can consist of premium?

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  12. Also
    6-will the e100 getting the maus there which you have shown in the past ?

    7-will multi turret support be implemented ?

    8-will siege mod be added to the Stb 1?

    9-what about the swedish td they are like e25’s but can be brought by credits will they get nerf ?

    10-will tx my vision be buffed ?

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  13. We have Premiums on all lines in all classes except Artillery, when are we going to see SPG Premiums in Tier 7 and Tier 8 in the major nations ? When are we going to see Italy (who was part of the Axis powers) get represented in WOT ?

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  14. When will the lights be brought back to a playable standard? Test server iteration 1 is where they should be!

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  15. Keep the premium tanks the way they are.

    Buff the standard tree though, in every sense, so they are able to pwn the premiums.

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    6-will the e100 getting it’s old maus turret like you have shown here
    ?

    >>>>> https://youtu.be/6m7sm0j62Ms <<<<<

    10-will light Tanks view range be buffed ? That's the only thing makes them a scout?

    11-will the tier6-7 Japanese be buffed ? Like giving them a
    decent mobility , maneuverability and the tier 7 (75mm belt fed autoloading Cannon) and the 88mm ??? Cause there are some situations where 3 shells can't cut the action add it with a awful mobility makes it a unpleasant gameplay 41kph is the current speed of the chi ri

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  17. Instead of pumping out more pay to win and premium tanks, do you think you could instead make money by selling cosmetic items for use on our tanks?

    Leaving out cosmetic sales as part of your revenue stream is a pretty big mistake, as you can earn a lot of money from doing that. Lots of players would love to customise their tanks. You can see that from the people who buy emblems and inscriptions and those who put camouflage paint on their heavies and artillery, which don’t even need them.

    Cosmetic sales are something that’s woefully underexplored in the game, I would love to see much more of those. Maybe give us options to buy using gold different non-historical camo, give us event cosmetics (special one-time sales of different cosmetics during events like Christmas/Lunar/Halloween/Grand Finals/April Fools’), let us put sprays on our tanks (like SFW pin-up girls, more flags, random stuff), let us change the accessories we can put on our tanks (like maybe we want a bicycle on our roof, or to take out that tow cable on the hull and put logs in place).

    Let us buy signboards that we can slap on flat surfaces of our tanks, let us buy historical military insignias, let us buy spray cans where we can spray different colours in patterns on our tank ourselves like a bad Photoshop job.

    Or even introduce a loot box type system like in Overwatch, where we can buy loot boxes or earn them in missions and inside the loot boxes we have a chance to get rare cosmetic items like maybe flashing strobe lights on top of our tanks, an exhaust pipe spewing smoke on the turret rear, or a canvas cover above open-top tanks.

    Wargaming, you’ve left out this massive potential gold mine of revenue which has been left so incredibly untapped by you up to now. Please implement this into the game, and in turn stop pumping out so many pay to win premium tanks.

    Also, I’d like to see the upcoming Bonds currency to be modified. Instead of playing Ranked Battles to earn Bonds, which you can then use to buy improved equipment that makes your battle performance even better, why not instead use Bonds to buy special cosmetics?

    So remove this “improved equipments” nonsense and replace it with, like, gold guns (again, similar to Overwatch) or something. You can buy gold/silver/bronze (gold costs more than silver, et cetera) guns with your Bonds, and when people look at your tank and its shiny reflective gun they’re like “woah”.

    People LOVE to show off their stuff, why not add this instead? You make everyone happy, you still earn money, and unicums can get the chance to strut around and show off their status with their special cosmetic skins.

    Please take these suggestions into consideration, thank you.

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  18. Are you guys going to nerf premium ammo? You guys want to make armor relavant, the instead of over buffing tanks like maus and type 5, why not just nerf premium ammo? As a type 5 driver and a maus player, I actually feel sorry for players firing standard rounds at me, cause their chances of penning are close to 0, but with a dap of the “2” key type 5 becomes an autopen zone almost everywhere, maus still stands a chance against prem ammo but type 5??? come on guys seriously? And u guys also wanted to nerf accuracy accuracy to make armor relavant, the real problem is premium ammo I humbly think, super heavy tanks survivability is based on their armour and they are awfully slow because of their enhanced protection but that is completely negated when premium ammo is spammed. Their strongest point of them is completely destroyed, On the other hand meds survivability depends on their speed and some armour. Oh and not to forget they have better gun handling, camo and highest view range of all classes?

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  19. 1. Do you think KV-5 and IS-6 are on par with Defenser?
    2. What are T6 tanks suppose to do with Defenser and Crysler GF?

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  20. A question to Wargaming from a NA player. will you take suggestions from players about balancing premium ammo, for instance, place a limited amount a tank can hold or when using premium ammo it’s 20% more penetration but 20% less damage. I personally like different ammo choices for certain situations. I feel the heat ammo should never be allowed for mobile medium tanks who are ment to flank and find the sides or rear of tanks. Because 330 pen and I can fire it where ever I like it’s it’s going to do damage. Fix this plz

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  21. 1-When the premium light tanks will be “re-balanced” like the non-premium lights were?

    2-Why WG did take out the VK28.01’s 105mm gun (tier 5 gun), while the Cruiser Mk. II tier 3 light tank still have a similar derp gun (also a tier 5 gun) ?

    3-Was that “re-balance” to the light tanks penetration made only to force the players to use more premium ammo?

    4- Same question than 3 but refered to the introduction of new tanks with more armor, and the buff to others. Examples: VK100, Defender, M4A3E8 Thunderbolt VII, Maus, etc.

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