Sandbox Server: HE Shells Update Iteration 3
4 min readSandbox Server gets its third iteration and more changes will be tested on the HE shells. This time Wargaming is testing the updated settings of damage-causing mechanics and the reduced damage-per-shot values of HE shells. Here is what will be changed:
- Increased HE shell damage by 40% over the first iteration of testing. After the first iteration of testing we bumped up damage by 75% for HE shells and the result was that they were excessively efficient. So damage will be scaled back a bit from those high values.
- Reduced splash damage to armor by 20% as compared to the second testing iteration.
- Reduced armor spalling damage by approximately 30-35%
- Reduced damage within the burst radius. In the current iteration, the damage value on the edge of splash will be 0.2 (compared to 0.1 in the first and 0.5 in the second iteration). In addition, we changed the dependency of damage drop-off from distance to explosion — the damage drop-off will be more balanced with respect to the new extreme value.
- Removed the improved HE shells for USA light tanks and Japanese heavy tanks. This is not a balance measure and we are not trying to remove this type of shells forever. Rather, within the testing, we are adjusting the efficiency of standard HE shells. Based on those adjustments we are planning to change the improved HE shells. During prior testing, improved HE shells of these vehicles were used excessively.
And here’s a digest of other information:
- Between the first and the second iteration, HE shells had effectiveness from minimal to excessive. There will be no tests of any values above the second iteration’s, as it’s considered to be the very limit.
- The mechanics themselves are working as expected, currently, the only thing needed is the right values. They should be something in the middle of this range of effectiveness.
- Splash damage changes should be most noticed by low armour vehicles, while spall damage changes most affect well-armoured tanks.
- It’s understood vehicles with HE gameplay, such as derps, are important to the community, and this will be considered when individual changes for these tanks will be worked on.
Tier I | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
MS-1 | 62 | 20 | 40 | 30 |
Pz.Kpfw. I | — | Moved to Tier I | — | — |
T1 Cunningham | 36 | 15 | 25 | 20 |
Renault FT | No HE | No HE | No HE | No HE |
Cruiser Mk. I | — | Moved to Tier I | — | — |
Kolohousenka | 65 | 25 | 40 | 35 |
Renault NC-31 | 42 | 15 | 25 | 20 |
Renault Otsu | 55 | 20 | 35 | 25 |
4TP | 70 | 25 | 45 | 35 |
Strv fm/21 | 16 | 5 | 10 | 10 |
Fiat 3000 | 45 | 15 | 30 | 25 |
Tier II | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
BT-2 | 62 | 20 | 40 | 30 |
T-60 | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
Pz.Kpfw. II | Moved to Tier II | — | — | |
M2 Light Tank | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
FCM 36 | 45 | 15 | 30 | 25 |
Cruiser Mk. II | — | Moved to Tier II | — | — |
Type 95 Ha-Go | 95 | 35 | 60 | 45 |
Strv m/38 | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
Tier III | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
T-70 | 65 | 25 | 40 | 30 |
T-46 | 65 | 25 | 40 | 30 |
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E | 90 | 30 | 55 | 45 |
Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G | 40 | 15 | 25 | 20 |
M3 Stuart | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
AMX 38 | 70 | 25 | 45 | 35 |
Somua S35 | 70 | 25 | 45 | 35 |
Valentine | — | Moved to Tier III | — | — |
Type 97 Chi-Ha | 90 | 30 | 55 | 45 |
Strv m/40L | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
Tier IV | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
BT-7 | — | Moved to Tier IV | — | — |
SU-76M | — | Moved to Tier IV | — | — |
T-28 | 95 | 35 | 60 | 45 |
Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs | 40 | 15 | 25 | 20 |
Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. J | 90 | 30 | 55 | 45 |
StuG III Ausf. B | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
M5 Stuart | 50 | 20 | 30 | 25 |
M8A1 | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
M7 | — | Moved to Tier IV | — | — |
AMX 40 | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Somua SAu 40 | 350 | 165 | 255 | 205 |
B1 | 70 | 25 | 45 | 35 |
Valentine AT | — | Moved to Tier IV | — | — |
Matilda | 110 | 70 | 110 | 90 |
Type 1 Chi-He | 100 | 35 | 60 | 50 |
Sav m/43 | 370 | 130 | 230 | 185 |
Lago | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Tier V | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
Stug IV | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
KV-1 | 280 | 100 | 175 | 140 |
SU-122A | 600 | 665 | 665 | 665 |
T-34 | 95 | 35 | 60 | 45 |
SU-85 | 300 | 105 | 190 | 150 |
VK 16.02 Leopard | 90 | 30 | 55 | 45 |
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H | 410 | 145 | 255 | 205 |
StuG Ausf. G | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
VK 30.01 (H) | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
M24 Chaffee | 175 | 70 | 110 | 90 |
T1 Heavy Tank | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
M41 HMC | 550 | 610 | 610 | 610 |
M4A1 Sherman | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
M10 Wolverine | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
AMX ELC bis | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
S35 CA | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
BDR G1 B | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50 | 445 | 495 | 495 | 495 |
Sherman III | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
AT 2 | 100 | 35 | 60 | 50 |
Churchill I | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Type 3 Chi-Nu | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Ikv 103 | 370 | 130 | 230 | 185 |
Strv m/42 | 185 | 65 | 115 | 90 |
Tier VI | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
Excalibur | 190 | 70 | 90 | 95 |
MT-25 | 165 | 60 | 105 | 85 |
T-150 | 360 | 130 | 225 | 180 |
SU-8 | 600 | 665 | 665 | 665 |
T-34-85 | 300 | 105 | 190 | 150 |
SU-100 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
KV-2 | 910 | 330 | 580 | 460 |
KV-1S | — | Moved to Tier VI | — | — |
VK 28.01 | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
VK 30.02 (M) | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Jagdpanzer IV | 270 | 95 | 170 | 135 |
VK 30.01 (P) | 270 | 95 | 170 | 135 |
VK 36.01 (H) | 270 | 95 | 170 | 135 |
T37 | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
M6 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
M44 | 550 | 610 | 610 | 610 |
M4A3E8 Sherman | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
M36 Jackson | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
AMX 12 t | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
ARL 44 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
AMX 13 F3 AM | 700 | 775 | 775 | 775 |
Panhard AMD 178B | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
ARL V39 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Cromwell | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
AT 8 | 190 | 70 | 120 | 95 |
Achilles | 190 | 70 | 120 | 95 |
Churchill VII | 190 | 70 | 120 | 95 |
O-I | 890 | 320 | 555 | 445 |
Type 4 Chi-To | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Ikv 65 Alt II | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Strv 74 | 185 | 65 | 115 | 90 |
Tier VII | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
T28 Concept | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
S-51 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
SU-152 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
IS | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
?V-3 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
T-43 | 300 | 105 | 190 | 150 |
LTG | 300 | 105 | 190 | 150 |
Jagdpanther | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
Tiger (P) | 295 | 105 | 185 | 150 |
Tiger I | 295 | 105 | 185 | 150 |
Panther | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Spähpanzer SP I C | 270 | 95 | 170 | 135 |
M12 | 700/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 |
T25 AT | 320 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T29 | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T20 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
T71 CMCD | 185 | 65 | 115 | 95 |
Lorraine 155 mle. 50 | 700/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 | 775/700 |
AMX AC mle. 46 | 400 | 145 | 250 | 200 |
AMX M4 mle. 45 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
AMX 13 75 | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Hotchkiss EBR | 260 | 95 | 165 | 130 |
Challenger | 370 | 130 | 230 | 185 |
AT 7 | 280 | 100 | 175 | 140 |
Black Prince | 190 | 70 | 120 | 95 |
Comet | 190 | 70 | 120 | 95 |
O-Ni | 890 | 320 | 555 | 445 |
Type 5 Chi-Ri | 175 | 65 | 110 | 90 |
Ikv 90 Typ B | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Leo | 410 | 145 | 255 | 205 |
Tier VIII | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
Chimera | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
SU-14-2 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
ISU-152 | 950 | 330 | 580 | 460 |
IS-3 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
IS-M | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
KV-4 | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T-44 | 330 | 120 | 205 | 165 |
LTTB | 300 | 105 | 190 | 150 |
Ferdinand | 630 | 225 | 395 | 315 |
VK 100.01 (P) | 630 | 225 | 395 | 315 |
Tiger II | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
Panther II | 295 | 105 | 185 | 150 |
HWK 12 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
M40/M43 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
T28 | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
T32 | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
M26 Pershing | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
M41 Walker Bulldog | 260 | 95 | 165 | 130 |
Lorraine 155 mle. 51 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX AC mle. 48 | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
AMX 65 t | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
Bat.-Châtillon 12 t | 260 | 95 | 165 | 130 |
Panhard AML Lynx 6×6 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Charioteer | 480/480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
AT 15 | 280 | 100 | 175 | 140 |
Caernarvon | 370 | 130 | 230 | 185 |
Centurion Mk. I | 280 | 100 | 175 | 140 |
O-Ho | 890 | 320 | 555 | 445 |
STA-1 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
UDES 03 | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Emil I | 460 | 165 | 290 | 230 |
UDES 14 Alt 5 | 460 | 165 | 290 | 230 |
Tier IX | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
T 55A | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
212A | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
Object 704 | 950 | 330 | 580 | 460 |
Object 257 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
Object 705 | 640 | 230 | 400 | 320 |
ST-I | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
T-54 | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T-54 lightweight | 330 | 120 | 205 | 165 |
Jagdtiger | 700 | 250 | 440 | 350 |
Mäuschen | 630 | 225 | 395 | 315 |
E 75 | 630 | 225 | 395 | 315 |
E 50 | 510 | 180 | 320 | 255 |
Spähpanzer Ru 251 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
M53/M55 | 1050/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 | 1165/1050 |
T95 | 950 | 345 | 600 | 480 |
M103 | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
M46 Patton | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
T49 | 910/910 | 330/365 | 580/635 | 460 |
Bat.-Châtillon 155 55 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX 50 Foch | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
AMX M4 mle. 51 | 610 | 220 | 380 | 305 |
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t AP | 400 | 145 | 250 | 200 |
AMX 13 90 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Panhard EBR 90 | 320 | 115 | 200 | 160 |
Conway | 770/770 | 275 | 480 | 385 |
Tortoise | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
Conqueror | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
Centurion Mk. 7/1 | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Type 4 Heavy | 900/900 | 330/365 | 580/640 | 465 |
Type 61 | 440 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Strv 103-0 | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Emil II | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
UDES 16 | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Tier X | ||||
Tank | Live Server | Sandbox #1 | Sandbox #2 | Sandbox #3 |
Object 260 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
Object 279e | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
Object 261 | 900/900 | 1000/900 | 1000/900 | 1000/900 |
Object 268 | 1100 | 330 | 580 | 460 |
IS-7 | 640 | 230 | 400 | 320 |
Object 705? | 840 | 330 | 580 | 460 |
IS-4 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
Object 140 | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T-100 LT | 360 | 130 | 225 | 180 |
Jagdpanzer E 100 | 1400 | 415 | 725 | 580 |
Maus | 630 | 225 | 395 | 315 |
E 100 | 950 | 320 | 565 | 450 |
E 50 Ausf. M | 510 | 180 | 320 | 255 |
Rheinmetall Paznerwagen | 420 | 150 | 265 | 210 |
T92 HMC | 1300/1300 | 1440/1300 | 1440/1300 | 1440/1300 |
T110E3 | 1100 | 345 | 600 | 480 |
T110E5 | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
M48A5 Patton | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
XM551 Sheridan | 910/910 | 330/365 | 580/635 | 460 |
Bat.-Châtillon 155 58 | 750/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 | 835/750 |
AMX 50 Foch B | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
AMX M4 mle 54 | 640 | 230 | 400 | 320 |
Bat.-Châtillon 25 t | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
AMX 13 105 | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Panhard EBR 105 | 500 | 180 | 315 | 250 |
FV4005 Stage II | 1750/1750 | 480 | 835 | 670 |
FV217 Badger | 620 | 220 | 390 | 310 |
Super Conqueror | 515 | 185 | 320 | 260 |
Centurion Action X | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Type 5 Heavy | 900/900 | 330/365 | 580/640 | 465 |
STB-1 | 440 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Strv 103B | 480 | 170 | 300 | 240 |
Kranvagn | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
UDES 15/16 | 530 | 190 | 330 | 265 |
So WG are still going to nerf the HE shells!
What a pack of idiots!
My good what a stupidity
They probably know most people don’t give half a **** about HE, they are simply making it fit their new ammo system to try to give a job to HE other that one shotting arty and lights. HE for existing premium vehicles wont change (KV2R, blackdog, etc), they will probalby keep some tanks that use derps and keep the old system (calling it AP-HE or something similar).
The tanks that will probably feel the burn the most will be the lights with good HE pen like the EBRs.
All in all, I look forward to the ammo changes, It’s an indirect nerf to all premium ammo since they buff everything but that, Its a buff to slower heavy armored tanks that are out of the meta (more HP but premium ammo does same amount). it’s a buff to lower tier HP pools so they will last a bit longer in bad matchups, new HE mechanic will also help them get some damage against tanks impossible for them to pen.
Sure, the game balance will change and people will cry over it but it’s a step toward making the game more compe***ive and less of a goldspam fest. Embrace the new meta, will Maus be king again, will dual guns ST2s suck like the british lights, who will dethrone the 430U?
Curious to see changes for the FV215b (183) and for HESH ammo in general. Since I started playing WoT only for the “derp fun factor”